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Obama attacks the Clinton years

by: Jay Stevens

Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 18:13:06 PM MST


Just before Super Tuesday, Obama circulated an attack mailer that held the Clintons responsible for net losses of Democratic seats during Bill's presidency:

In the mailer, Obama is pointing to Dem losses in the 1990s to bolster his core message that a Hillary candidacy would polarize the nation and cripple efforts to build a long-term progressive majority. Obama argues that he'll be less alienating than Hillary to independents and Republicans, due to the fact that he's unencumbered by the baggage of the 1990s.

Some are criticizing the mailer for being too negative - yet Hillary Clinton is often portrayed as being "tougher," because she's unafraid of using tough tactics, and Obama unable to mix it up with the GOP because he's too nice. Others actually liked the Clinton presidency:

As for attacking the only two-term [Democratic] presidency since F.D.R., no doubt Bill Clinton had his faults, especially on movement organization. But he left this country in great financial shape, which cannot be denied. This is just one reason Obama's losing lunch bucket Democrats to Clinton. What people remember is the impact the Clinton presidency had on their lives. In the end, that's all that matters to them.

Which seems willfully naïve. If anything, Clinton's trade policies hurt "lunch bucket Democrats" (NAFTA?), and is no doubt one of the contributing factors in the loss of so many Democratic gubernatorial and Congressional seats. Certainly NAFTA is a dirty word 'round these parts. I have no idea why blue-collar Democrats are trending to Clinton. I'd love to read an analysis; but I don't think it's because of Bill Clinton's economic policies.

And then there's Steven Suh's baffling condemnation of Obama's mailer - that he's buying into the conservative mystique of the Clintons. Suh claims that, with this mailer, Obama is "running away from Clinton and the Democratic party."

Now I'd argue that the Obama mailer is accurate. Clinton's politics did blunt the liberal political movement. Remember all the triangulation Clinton did? He legitimized conservative rhetoric. He legitimized the conservative world-view. He showed why triangulation doesn't work. If you adopt conservative issues, you don't win the center, you push the electorate into the conservative camp. And the Democratic party's namby-pamby, tepid view of its own values, and the disdain for its base, stems from the Clinton years.

But then any interpretation of Obama's mailer hinges on the mailer's intent. If Obama is arguing that Bill Clinton hurt the Democratic party because he was too liberal...well...then we've got another triangulator on our hands. But, if, on the other hand, Obama's arguing that progressive ideas are extremely popular across the country, and that Hillary Clinton - like Bill did during his presidency - would alienate potential Democrats by abandoning popular lefty ideas, then I'm aboard.

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I'm with you 100% (0.00 / 0)
And I definitely think that Obama is attacking Clinton from the left in this mailer.  He is essentially saying that, because they triangulated away the core values of the party, the Clintons undermined the party at all levels of government, and that Obama is poised not only to bring progressive policies back to the executive branch, but to help elect down-ticket Democrats who will stand up for progressive values in the House and Senate.

(By the way, I asked Matt this question, but I might as well float it out to everyone else here-- what do you think of the idea of an Obama/Schweitzer ticket?  I think it'd be the best pairing the party could possibly put forward this year.  Two agents of change from very different regional backgrounds on one ticket.  I personally think they'd be unstoppable-- what say you?)


Well, if we're thinking about the cart instead of the horse... (0.00 / 0)
I can't resist engaging in this sort of speculation. Obama would be best served by a Cheney, someone well acquainted with navigating Washington politics but willing to submerge his or her ambition. Schweitzer doesn't know Washington, not to mention that he'd be leaving Montana in the lurch and Roy Brown in the driver's seat at the top of the state ticket. And, uh, ambition, well, not so submersible.

Jim Webb, on the other hand, was a Navy admiral (which means he learned a thing or two about manipulating bureaucracy). Not just that, he's got rural appeal, national security credibility, and makes redressing economic inequality a priority.

Bonus suggestion: John Edwards, Attorney General.


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Sorry........... (0.00 / 0)
Jason, but Jim Webb was never an admiral in the Navy.  He did attend the Naval Academy but chose to serve in the Marine Corps.  He later was Sec of the Navy and was fired from that position.  

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My apologies (0.00 / 0)
Quite right. I shouldn't post after the fact-checking portion of my brain shuts down.

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Schweitzer would add nothing at all to the ticket. (0.00 / 0)
My sense of history demands that Mrs. Clinton--or John Edwards--be on the ticket for the same reason Johnson's presence eventually proved so crucial to JFK's presidency.
Imagine how a non-entity would have fared after the assassination...  

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Nothing? (0.00 / 0)
I beg to differ-- the mountain west is the region that offers the greatest growth potential to the Democratic party.  The south is a relic of the past; other than Virginia, which now hinges on the D.C. suburbs, no southern state will be going Democratic for at least a generation.  Edwards obviously never held much sway in the region-- he couldn't carry a single southern state for Kerry in '04, and he tanked in South Carolina this year.  So he's out (although I'm sure he'll get a Cabinet post).  

As for Hillary . . . older Democratic voters in the primaries flock to her, but independents will run from her in the general election, whether she's at the top or the bottom of the ticket.  Furthermore, if Obama picked Hillary, he'd have to deal with having two Vice-Presidents, what with Bill's outsize ego being what it is.  Hillary needs Obama more than Obama needs Hillary.  The whole message of change and moving forward would be undermined by the presence of, for all intents and purposes, a throwback.

The mountain west is a region that Thomas Schaller describes as "low-hanging fruit" for the party.  This year, what with the convention being held in Denver, it would be in the party's best interest to have a westerner on the ticket.  And, let's face it, Schweitzer is the best of the bunch, since Richardson is too gaffe-prone, Napolitano would be too vulnerable due to her status as an unmarried woman with a slightly masculine affect (a matter of no importance to progressives like us, no doubt, but definitely a point of contention for the country at large,) and Ritter is pro-life and has that manslaughter incident in his past.  Double-senator tickets are a suicide wish.  So . . . that leaves Schweitzer.  He's a straight-shooter who can realistically convince voters to vote for their own best interests (which really shouldn't be an uphill battle, but nonetheless is, due to the slick marketing tactics of the GOP).  He reinforces the message of change, which would be important on an Obama ticket-- picking an establishment figure would undermine the validity of the message.  

Okay, that was a lot of rambling . . . but, my point is, if Obama is to make good on his promise of a new era of politics, he shouldn't pick a VP just to shore up the electoral math or placate a group of delegates.  He should pick the candidate who, after 8 successful years of an Obama administration, can carry the new ideas forward for 8 more years, and create a lasting legacy.  And that, I believe, is Brian Schweitzer.


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I--and a pretty good portion of progressives--am of the opinion that Bryan is (0.00 / 0)
simply a wimpy Bill Clinton wannabe.
Presidents who have been elected by dreamers and utopians are unlikely to be re-elected--in the schizmatic world of our two party system they will be under more intense attack than the average new president.
What do you suppose would have happened if somebody had chosen to kill jimmuh instead of just isolating him..?

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The republicans would just have to show (0.00 / 0)
the video footage of Schweitzer's drunken rant after Tester's victory (I believe it was) to kill any chances of that ticket. I remember thinking after I saw it on the local news that it was a presidential aspiration-killing moment, if/when it ever got out.

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Dubya had a DUI and was still elected Prez (0.00 / 0)
I thought Schweitzer was running for re-election in MT this year?  Video footage like what you say only hurts a potential candidate if he doesn't address it honestly.

I live in CT, but am originally from IL, and I love your governor.  Wish CT had someone of Schweitzer's demeaner.  CT politicians suffer from scleroisi of the imagination, although the Lamont-Lieberman race and Obama's current success seem to have waken up the Rip Van Winkles in the CT Dem Party.

What I like the best about Gov. Schweitzer is that he seems to have a natural talent to reframe the debate.  Instead of co-opting Right wing frames like the Clintons and Obama do, Schweitzer attacks them head on and shows why a progressive/populist plan is better.

I don't think Schweizter is ready for Prez or VP level yet.  He needs to win re-election this year, continue governing MT well the next 4 years and maybe win the head of the National Governor's Association and start building a national network.  And if he can take a national lead on renewable energy sources, like the recent Time Magazine article indicates, Schweitzer can overcome any personal faults to win national respect.

Larkspur


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Do you actually think the Good Guv..... (0.00 / 0)
could play second fiddle to anyone?  Honestly, he is about as humble as Denny Rehburg.  Hate to make that comparison, but its true.  I do think he's done a fairly good job of running good 'ol MT, but his demeanor is about as opposite of Senator Obama's as it gets. If Obama is a "bridge builder" I think the good gov. is more of a "bridge demolition" expert.  He pissed enough kerosene on various campfires during the last session that I seriously doubt he will be considered as a part of any national ticket. Why take a chance like that with a VP? We Montanans love a little spit fire in our elected officials, i just don't think that's the case for most of the rest of the country.  That being said, the good gov., nancy, and jag will be getting my vote next election for sure.  I love to having someone who makes campfires a little more interesting kickin' it in the governors mansion.

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Obama is correct. (0.00 / 0)
The Clinton presidency kind of set up the GOP to take many Governorships, and seats in congress.

For this reason, among others, those in the party who haven't bought into the hero worship of the Clintons have often refered to him as the greatest Republican President of the 20th century.

As for the VP question; I think Richardson is the natural choice. He would help shore up Obama's support with Hispanics, and he's far and away the best known Western Governor in the country.

He brings a wealth of knowledge in foriegn affairs as well as on immigration issues. He would be an asset to Obama without overshadowing him.


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