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On Dwayne Smail, guns, and the too-often toxic tone of the "debate"

by: Jay Stevens

Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:04:12 AM MST


There was much reaction to the news of a recent shooting death of a 1½ year-old girl. It prompted an emotional reaction from Pete Talbot ("...explain to me how the Second Amendment applies to a...loser like this..."); a reasoned (and impassioned) defense of the Second Amendment from Wulfgar! ("The 2nd is an enumeration of a right. For the word to have any meaning, it must apply to all ... even Smail. A tragic as this is, the alternative - a selective application of 'rights' -- is far more tragic, and has had far bloodier consequences in US history."); and an absolutely brilliant column from New West's Sutton Stokes, "Little Girl Dead: Going to a Gun Show with Dwayne Smail on My Mind," which somehow manages to embody all of my own ambivalence about guns, the gun crowd, the Second Amendment, liberty.

Some of the good parts from Stokes' piece:

The question is whether we have any good way to prevent gun sales to the stupid at the policy level, as opposed to, say, harshly punishing the Smails of the world. If gun sales were to become illegal tomorrow, there would of course quickly be even more of a flourishing illegal market in the things than there is right now (and it's already pretty flourishing). I'd refer you to, say, the market in illegal drugs, and point out that a lot of people who would like to see a prohibition on gun sales might be open, on the other hand, to a decriminalization of some forms of currently illegal drugs. Of course there are huge distinctions to be made (pot never killed anyone, but handguns - not so much), and I'm not saying that holding the two views makes anyone a hypocrite, but I do think it would be foolish to ignore the apparently powerful desire of vast numbers of people in this country to own guns, and to fail to consider the evidence from the "drug war" that a lot of people are quite willing to disobey laws they consider unjust.

And of course there is that pesky Second Amendment to the Constitution, which I'm afraid I don't see a way to read in a way that would permit the infringement of the right of the people to keep and bear arms, and I say that not only as a confirmed political liberal but as a professional editor. We can argue about the "well-regulated militia" part, I suppose, but, if your objections to a "personal right" reading of this amendment rest on comma placement, I hope you realize that this boils down to essentially not having an argument to make.

In short, damn good arguments.

Jay Stevens :: On Dwayne Smail, guns, and the too-often toxic tone of the "debate"
The comment section was delightfully thoughtful - apart from a few rabid right wingers - unusual for a debate on guns. And that's the thing, isn't it? Sutton touched on how right-wing gun enthusiasts view the debate in black/white terms: those for gun control are "evil," and those for the Second Amendment are the white hats protecting "freedom" and "liberty" from the "libs." It's gone far beyond a reasonable stand and has become a weird obsession with the projection of perceived masculine power. If you want to know why there are large swaths of the population in favor of gun control, you only need read the posts from Dave Skinner in the comments of the New West piece to understand.

Two observations about this line of thinking.

First, if you think "libs" are automatically pro-gun-control, it's obvious you don't know very many. Here in the Montana blogosphere there are plenty of examples of liberal gun nuts, yet few (if any?) who call for increased gun control. That means you're living in a self-created fantasy world. Get out of the house.

Second, being a gun owner and a strong supporter of the Second Amendment does not necessarily make you a good person. After all, Dwayne Smail was a gun owner and, presumably, in favor of the Second Amendment. So you don't get a free pass on civility or reason or kindness or decency simply because you support a Constitutional amendment.

And, last of all, despite the emotion and feeling for vengence that the death of a small child evokes, I just don't see any possible way to legislate her back to life, or to create handgun legislation - even if that legislation didn't contradict the Constitution -- that would prevent the deaths of other children from the Dwayne Smails of the world and their...stupidty? Malice?

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to Sutton's piece was from Sutton himself (the last one).  He quotes Sam Smith of The Progressive Review.  There's lots of good in his points, and one real stinker.

The Good:

-- Treating gun laws as a national issue exacerbates cultural conflict, such as those between rural and urban, east and west, wealthy and not so well off. Telling rural Westerners to get rid of their guns is like telling an urban blacks to stop reading African-American books.

-- The push for gun restrictions and prohibition is interwoven with the drive to restrict other citizen liberties and erode democracy. Progressives once opposed such moves, but in recent years have been no-shows. Progressives need to became civil libertarians again.

-- America no longer has a strong, reliable democracy. It has been deeply corrupted and is being brutally manipulated. We are also losing our major defense against tyranny: the spirit and will of the people. An armed citizenry is a reasonable back-up plan.

The deeply flawed point is this:

-- Progressives should stop treating average Americans as though they were alien creatures. Progressives haven't just lost elections because of their issues but because of their attitudes as well.

Excuse me, but it kinda looks to me like Progressives are average Americans.  And some of those "Average American" Nascar watchin', corndog eatin' gun-totin' people being treated like 'aliens' should be treated like that.  Unlike your average American, who believes in live-and-let-live, some of these folk are desperately hungry for things to fall apart so they can go shoot a lib, or a queer or a queer lovin' abortionatin' godless commie ... or maybe just a wetback.  They don't care who, or really why.  They just want validation that their god loves them.

I'm not writing of the Christian God.  That God is love.  No, the mythology that many of these 'aliens' serve is moral rightiousness through superior firepower.  Their god is Fear, something the Republican party has embraced like the bosom of their mothers.  Michael Moore, arguably a profound progressive voice, did a movie about that mythology and was branded a "gun-fearing pussy", a "gun-grabber" and "America hater".  He's a gun owner, 2nd amendment supporter and life-long member of the NRA.

What Smith seems to be saying is that we need to quit pissing off these 'aliens' by not threatening their gun rights.  He's wrong.  We're (Progressives) pissing them off because we repudiate their god, Fear.  Believe in global warming?  You're an anti-gun lib. Believe in protecting the environment? You're an anti-gun lib.  Don't believe we should be bankrupting the country by engaging in vanity wars against Islamoragheads?  You're an anti-gun lib.

Yes, liberals and Progressives need to get over the knee-jerk desire to legislate gun laws.  They won't work, and they don't help.  But we also need to realize that our attitudes will continue to be mis-characterized and denigrated.  No amount of appeasement will be enough for some folk until we realize that they aren't fighting gun-grabbing.  They are fighting for their mythology's god-and-gun-given right to be afraid.  No change in our attitude is gonna solve that problem.  And Smith, drawing the lines of distinction between us and the 'average American' just conceded the fight to the crazy.


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I was actually thinking about adding something like what you wrote into the post, but I felt like it was starting to get messy as it was...

I'd also add that the media (and obviously Sutton) buys into that meme, too. Just look at that Mamet article that's going around, about how he's quit being a "brain-dead" liberal because sometimes government intervention isn't the only solution to a problem.

Uh...yo, dude, that's the strawman caricature the right's created that you're thwacking there. Certainly leftys advocate for the use of government intervention, when practical...but c'mon! A lot of us want to limit government, make it more efficient and responsive! I'd call those progressive values, too!


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Professor Cass Sunstein of the University of Chicago Law School http://webcast-law.uchicago.edu/2007/autumn/sunstein_512k.mov
discusses the constitutional questions surrounding the Second Amendment.  It is not as simple as just relying on a comma.  

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"I'd also add that the media (and obviously Sutton) buys into that meme, too..."

Glad we got that figured out.

But seriously, thanks for the love, Jay. I was just directed here -- glad you enjoyed the piece.


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I thought it was one of the most honest pieces I've ever read about guns. Not an easy subject to write about...

Sorry about the assumption. When you call out someone's points and call them "interesting" without reservations, one assumes you find them all "interesting." But then I was assuming, so there's that.


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