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"That means all of you have to be nice to Clinton supporters." -Barack Obama

by: Anna

Tue May 20, 2008 at 21:22:31 PM MST


(Call this post, "A bunch of crap, part 3." These jerks aren't representative of the vast majority of Obama supporters, but they're sure making us all look bad.

And if you don't think there's sexism in this race, you need to read this post.

For those Clinton backers still plugging away out there: nice work. My appreciation for you folks has trebled. You don't deserve this sh*t. - promoted by Jay Stevens)

This evening, I met with the Clinton staff in Missoula and other volunteers to watch results come in from Kentucky.  Most of the time, when I attend a Hillary function, I wear a Hillary t-shirt, button, or sticker.  Most of the time, when I'm walking to or from the office, I'm shouted at and harassed from cars, porches, on the street, whatever.  Today was no different.  

As I was walking home, in downtown Missoula, in broad daylight, someone wearing three Obama buttons on their shirt followed me to an intersection and shouted at me while I was waiting for the light to change.  I was wearing headphones, so I turned them up and clearly ignored the person shouting at me.  Luckily, the light changed before he got too heated up, and he didn't follow me across the street.  It was still very weird - he was shouting, waving his arms, very aggressive.  Each of these experiences has been terrifying - I never know if the person targeting me is going to become physical, if they're going to follow me, or if they'll be satisfied with shouting something nasty and leaving it at that.

When I talk to other volunteers, I hear similar stories from nearly all of them.  Many of the stories involve signs - some volunteers are afraid to put signs in their yards, after hearing about signs being defaced, torn apart, and actually burned down.  Others bring their signs in every evening and put them out again in the morning.  

Anna :: "That means all of you have to be nice to Clinton supporters." -Barack Obama
I'll state my opinion very plainly: this is intimidation, and in my experience, nearly all of it is coming from Obama supporters.  None of us are going to be shouted down, or intimidated out of having a different opinion - in fact, if anything, this hardens my support for Clinton.  And I know none of you want to hear it, but this type of intimidation is sexist as well.  A random man on the street supporting a male candidate shouting at a woman supporting a female candidate about her political opinion is more than a little problematic.  It needs to stop.  

To be clear: I'm aware that Barack Obama is not personally responsible for this, and that he, and probably his Missoula staff and most of his supporters, would be horrified to know that this is happening.  However, there is a weird, creepy element to his support in Missoula, and I'm not going to pretend that isn't a fact either.  

When I think about this, what I keep coming back to is the rhetoric both campaigns use, the way that rhetoric is reflected and repeated and interpreted in the media, and how all of that leads to some pretty serious hate-mongering on either side (because believe me, I'm aware there is some of this stuff coming from both Clinton's and McCain's backers).  Would it even be possible for us to have that kind of discussion here?  

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no, not possible (0.00 / 0)
The Internet self-polices, almost by definition.

If Hillary would have started out worried about this ruining her coronation, the Internet would have been a great remedy from the start.  

Instead, she was worried about caving on Iraq (we all know she's smarter than that) and so she feared the Internet quite understandedly.  And it would have only helped a long time ago as once everyone realized she lost, the reality based community would have fled even if were with her at the start.  

When you repeatedly switch strategy, you get the worst of all worlds.

And this isn't even over-the-top for Missoula.

Go down to the Courthouse on election night and look at the long line and realize all will work out for the nominee.  


The experience of supporting Clinton (0.00 / 0)
has made me entirely dismiss the notion that a "reality-based community" exists on left-wing blogs.  

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Please don't confuse... (0.00 / 0)
...a few trolls with the entire readership of LiTW...

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I'm not trying to be snide, (0.00 / 0)
but on Cat-Griz weekend, i avoid putting on my Bobcat colors and walking around town (I'm an MSU grad).

No matter what your bent, Missoula can be a scary and dangerous place--even if you're just walking around plain vanilla. It would be good to report people like this to the police--you never know what they'll do to the next person down the street.

This isn't just a political, or a sexist problem. Random street violence is a very real and ugly part of Missoula. It's unfortunate that it works to stifle public displays of our affiliations. Even worse when it spills over to what should be a positive experience: political and first amendment  expression. I've been threatened many times in Missoula and Montana while exercising my first amendment rights. Scary sh*t.

I'm sorry you had to experience some of Missoula's lowlifes (as if meeting some of us other lowbrows here wasn't bad enough). I hope you've seen the end of it. Sincerely.

You know, I heard a really great statement about Teddy Kennedy today, that he never took politics personally, that he could have a shake down, drag-on fight with adversaries in the senate or administration, then go out to dinner with them afterwards, friendly as always, putting aside the fight till another day.

A lesson that we all could take to heart, especially on the anonymous'net. Don't take politics personally.


Here we go again.. (0.00 / 0)
I don't condone yelling and screaming at other people...nor do I condone the racist politics of Bill and Hilary Clinton...

Now every time someone says something negative about Clinton one of her supporters is going to start crying sexism....give me a break...

I don't hear the Obama people whining about racism...


Oh yeah..... (0.00 / 0)
well you're obviously not listening.  Just try using his middle name or criticizing his wife or for that matter just disagreeing with the black messiah.  Just wait until he's nominated and goes up against the "racist" white guy.

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Ah squid... (0.00 / 0)
I think there is ample evidence that the original Messiah was dark skinned too...

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Sexism and racism both evident (0.00 / 0)
Making phone calls for Obama, one of our Beaverhead County volunteers got the following response from a local Democrat: "I don't want no womens (sic) or coons."

As a Dean-ocrat, I have no sympathy for the Clintons nor their rabid supporters (0.00 / 0)
I recall Bill Clinton in 2003 warning us Dean-ocrats that we could vote our heart in the primaries but must vote with our heads in the general election.  Well, it's about time the Clintons and their supporters practice what Bill preaches.

The Clintons only care about themselves.  They don't give a damn about the Dem Party nor this country, only about grabbing power and headlines for themselves.

I'm just glad that Hillary who voted for IWR because she thought back then that it would help her win the Presidency has screwed herself.  Karma is a bigger B*tch than Hillary.

Larkspur


I find the rabid Hillary supporters anything but classy (0.00 / 0)
I'm a NOW member and when the NOW officers who came to CT in 2006 to endorse Ned Lamont against Joe Lieberman, I told them then that there is no way I could ever support Hillary for President.  Two main reasons: 1) her blind support for IWR and 2) she favors shipping my job to India.  Hillary is Republican-lite.

I'm not an Obama-bot; I'm an Anybody-but-Hillary-and-Republican voter.  On Feb. 5 I voted AGAINST Hillary by voting for Obama.  Obama just happened to be the only viable alternative candidate to Hillary.  If Edwards was viable, I would have voted for him on Feb. 5.

This feminist is basically saying, "don't wave the 'Sexist' argument in my face".  Women, like me, also voted against Hillary.  She is and was the wrong woman to be the first President of the United States.

Larkspur


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Incidentally... (0.00 / 0)
I'd be interested to hear again everyone's explanation for how there's no trace of sexism at play in the way we discuss Hillary Clinton or her supporters, since I see about a dozen pretty clear examples of it in this thread alone.  

Truth is (0.00 / 0)
we are a sexist, racist, ageist, society...some of us have come to grips with that reality, but continue to move forward, while others continue to use it to further victimize themselves...

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"Coven" was rather sexist (0.00 / 0)
Sort of hilariously sexist, but sexist nevertheless. If only all discrimination was that funny...

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Oh for pity's sake! (0.00 / 0)
I'd be interested to hear again everyone's explanation for how there's no trace of sexism at play in the way we discuss Hillary Clinton or her supporters,

It's said that to the person who's only tool is a hammer, pretty soon everything starts to look like a nail.  I would suggest that to those who's only action is poking people, pretty soon everyone starts to look like the guy with the hammer.

(now why do I have this song stuck in my head? maybe 'cause that Linda Ronstadt was such a freaking sexist ...)  


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That's funny (0.00 / 0)
1. just because you've conceded that there is a fair amount of sexism involved in the campaign doesn't mean that everyone here has, or even that most people have, or even that people have other than you, me, and Jay.  

2. thanks for the song suggestion - when I think about my relationship to progressive politics after my involvement in the Clinton campaign, this is the one that comes to mind for me:



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OH! (0.00 / 0)
You are an evil evil person, Anna!  That earworm is gonna stay with me for hours.

;-)


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The bass line (0.00 / 0)
sticks in your head, for sure.  

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I have a sickness (0.00 / 0)
I favor female vocalists.  I know, I know it's wrong and sad.  There's some latent gay there, I'm sure (as I've been accused of before this.)  But there's something about women singing that is just too good.  Maybe instead of the Rocky theme, Hillary should be using Carly Simon's Boys in the Trees.

(Now we're having us some fun here.)


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I'm with you (0.00 / 0)
It doesn't matter the genre of music, I usually prefer women vocalists.  

When I saw Bill in Missoula, I did hear "9 to 5" a couple of times!  


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Bill Clinton speaks! (0.00 / 0)
"This is a contact sport, if you don't wanna play keep your uniform off."


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