Ask these Republicans if they still support their campaign promise after they said....

Sources - check them out (4.00 / 2)

Sen. Roy Brown (R-SD 25) http://www.helenair.com/articl...

Sen. Roy Brown (R-SD 25)  http://www.billingsgazette.net...

Sen. Roy Brown (R-SD 25)  http://www.billingsgazette.net...

Rep. Krayton Kerns (R-HD 58)  http://www.billingsgazette.net...

Rep. Mike Milburn (R-HD19)  Stream Access a Hot Topic for Candidates in House District 19 - Great Falls Tribune 10/9/2008

Sen. John Brenden (R-SD 18)  Bumgartner, Brenden Vie For Kitzenberg Seat - Great Falls Tribune 10/25/2008

Rep. David Howard (R-HD 60)  http://www.votesmart.org/npat....

Rep. Cary Smith (R-HD 55)  http://www.billingsgazette.net...

Rep. Wendy Warburton (R-HD 34)  http://www.Wendywarburton.com/...

Sen. Taylor Brown (R-SD 22)  http://www.votetaylorbrown.com...

Rep. Mike Miller (R-HD 84)  http://www.helenair.com/articl...

Rep. Lee Randall (R-HD 39)  http://www.billingsgazette.net...

Sen. Rick Liable (R-SD 44) http://www.votesmart.org/summa...

Sen. Dave Lewis (R SD-42)  http://www.votesmart.org/summa...

Sen. Verdell Jackson (R-SD 5)  Proposed Montana energy Plan and Energy policies.

Sen. Kelly Gebhardt (R-SD 23)  http://www.votesmart.org/summa...

Sen. Daniel McGee (R-SD 29)  http://www.votesmart.org/summa...

Sen. Greg Barkus (R-SD 4)  http://www.votesmart.org/summa...

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by: Junior @ Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 15:36:40 PM CST

Almost there... (0.00 / 1)

Like I stated, I wasn't so concerned about the quotes.

Fact: Montana has increased oil production by 38% since 2004.
Fact:  Montana has increased gas production by 34% since 2004.

Source, please.

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by: Rusty Shackleford @ Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 15:41:39 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Here you go (4.00 / 1)

Department of Energy
DNRC - Montana Board of Oil and Gas
HJR 2

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by: Junior @ Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 15:51:47 PM CST

Just wondering (0.00 / 0)

When can the "kids" expect an apology?

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by: Wulfgar @ Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 15:54:14 PM CST

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I'm not a writer here (0.00 / 0)

I'm just a commenter, asshole.  The sources you asked for were provided.  Not one person reading this likely gives a hairy hoot what you are or are not satisfied with.  If you have contradictory information to those facts, post it.  Otherwise, those facts are totally rad, and you're just acting up like a temperamental two-year old.  You owe an apology.

Don't sweat it too much though, Rusty/sydney.  No one here expects any class from you anyway.

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by: Wulfgar @ Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 16:20:45 PM CST

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Try acting like a grown up (0.00 / 0)

And use your words, Wulfgar.

Facts are that Republicans have been pushing resource development for ages, with the belief and intention of relieving property tax while fully funding education.  Just cuz Democrats are PRETENDING they've always been for energy production, doesn't make it so.

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by: sydney@alias @ Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 16:27:51 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Claim claim claim, (0.00 / 0)

blah blah blah.

Rusty/sydney, you are really good at demanding proof from others, but all you offer is tripe opinion.  Prove something, for once in your miserable life.  That would be the 'grown up' thing to do, so possibly beyond you.

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by: Wulfgar @ Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 16:32:51 PM CST

[ Parent ]

I did... (0.00 / 0)

I linked.

And we're not the same.  Don't even look alike.  But don't take my word for it, ask Jay or Matt or whoever runs this site and they'll confirm it.

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by: sydney@alias @ Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 16:36:45 PM CST

[ Parent ]

No Rusty/sydney (0.00 / 0)

You posted a link with a claim of "manipulation".  What was manipulated?  How was it manipulated?  How does it stand against what Junior posted as the desires (campaign lies) that our fine state Republicans put forth?

You see, Rusty/sydney, that would be an argument.  That would be proof.  But you keep persisting that posters here owe you something, without offering anything in return (exactly like the Republican cry-babies in the federal Congress.)  If you wish to add to the conversation, discussion, debate then do so, Rustysyd.  But quit expecting that this website exists to serve your, how did you put it, feeeelings.

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by: Wulfgar @ Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 16:44:32 PM CST

[ Parent ]

While you continually insult me, (0.00 / 1)

I'm not going to waste time trying to use logic or produce facts for you.

Read the link.  Figure it out for yourself.  I have a life.

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by: sydney@alias @ Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 16:51:23 PM CST

[ Parent ]

"I'm not going to waste time trying to use logic" (0.00 / 0)

Well and truthfully stated...

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by: jed @ Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 17:07:31 PM CST

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But you'll waste time responding to me? (0.00 / 0)

Wouldn't that time be more productive showing how the person who posted the damned thread was wrong, rather than accusing me of being mean to you?

This is you, Rustysyd:

Try acting like a grown up

Be snarky  
And retarded all you want

I understand far greater than any of you Liberal "thinkers", who somehow feeeeeel

I get the Wulfgars saying that those rich people make too much (a blatant lie for which you have yet to even admit to.)

Aww pwoor baby Wulfie...
Did I mix up my lefties?

So perhaps wealth envy isn't your thing, just racism.

That's not including your alter-ego, and that's just in the last two days.  And now you're seriously going to whine about how your time is too precious to deal with insult?

Sydney, I'm going to explain this to you terribly clearly.  This is a progressive website.  That means it's our house, not yours. You want to crawl into your little Republicant hole and whine about the mean old lefties, you go right ahead.  But no one here, not me, JC, or the proprietors owe you explanation or exposition or comfort.  You came onto our turf and pissed on our shoes.  That is your life.  That's what you chose to do.  That you wouldn't expect blowback speaks poorly of you, very poorly indeed.

Now, you go ahead and run back to your life, because the big meanies at LitW wouldn't accept you as the special little snowflake.  I can personally guarantee that not one person here will shed a tear if we never hear from you again.

If you wish discussion and debate, then engage in that.  Otherwise, cry somewhere else, Rustysyd.    

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by: Wulfgar @ Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 17:11:42 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Proof that the Dems don't give a shit about energy development, and in that, don't care about funding education.... (0.00 / 1)

The Enabling Act provided that proceeds from the sale and permanent disposition of any of the trust lands, or part thereof, shall constitute permanent funds for the support and maintenance of the public schools and the various state institutions for which the lands had been granted. The Montana Constitution provides that these permanent funds shall forever remain inviolate, guaranteed by the State of Montana against loss or diversion.

The Enabling Act further provided that rentals received on leased lands, interest earned on the permanent funds arising from these lands, interest earned on deferred payments on lands sold, and all other actual income shall be available for the maintenance and support of such schools and institutions.

http://www.dnrc.mt.gov/trust/A...

77-1-202. Powers and duties of board. (1) The board shall exercise general authority, direction, and control over the care, management, and disposition of state lands and, subject to the investment authority of the board of investments, the funds arising from the leasing, use, sale, and disposition of those lands or otherwise coming under its administration. In the exercise of these powers, the guiding principle is that these lands and funds are held in trust for the support of education and for the attainment of other worthy objects helpful to the well-being of the people of this state as provided in The Enabling Act. The board shall administer this trust to:
   (a) secure the largest measure of legitimate and reasonable advantage to the state; and
   (b) provide for the long-term financial support of education.

http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/m...

It would appear that the money raised from any leases granted by the Land Board (controlled solely by the Democrats) would go directly into the school system.  It would appear as if the problem could almost entirely solve itself.  Weird, eh?

Did you see what I did there?!?  I presented you kids with facts and then I cited my sources to those facts!  Neato, eh?!

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by: Rusty Shackleford @ Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 17:03:03 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Right, Rustysyd (0.00 / 0)

And it's also completely beside the point made in the original post.  If the sale of extraction leases completely covered the cost of education, then it would not be an issue for budgeting.  They don't, so it is.  The governor sets the budget, but the legislature has to vote to allocate the moneys.  (Do I need to dramatically link and quote that, too, Rustysyd?)  Hence, we have the point of the post.  Are the Republicans in the legislature going to do what they said they would do, or not?

The point I have been involved in is that you called the poster, and the proprietors of the website 'liars'.  You haven't shown how.  You won't show how.  You're just wanking, and proving yourself to be exactly the troll I argue that you are.

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by: Wulfgar @ Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 17:26:54 PM CST

[ Parent ]

"I think... (0.00 / 0)

[that what others really think is just a figment of my imagination]."

Since when did you believe yourself to have paranormal powers, Rusty? More likely it's just a pigment of your delusion.

Oh, and thanks for being such a good foil here. The amateur dittoheads in my neighborhood hardly know what hits 'em after I deliver a punch perfected on you, sydney@ and coobs.

And you'll just have to try harder to make Wulfgar!'s list this year. Sharpen my sword, oh oxidized one.

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by: JC @ Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 15:26:06 PM CST

[ Parent ]

I think...I think I am...therefore I am, I think.... (0.00 / 1)

It has nothing to do with paranormal abilities.  

You see, I once was a liberal, but then I grew up....I know how you people think.

A Lefty attempts to crawl inside the psyche of a Conservative and understand them, usually to no avail.  A Liberal believes they know what drives a Conservative, they don't have the first clue.

Like I said, I use to be idealistic and liberal, but then I made the conscience decision to become an adult =)

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by: Rusty Shackleford @ Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 22:20:31 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Maybe if you made conscious decisions (0.00 / 0)

instead of conscience ones, you'd be aware of how your logic is but a projection of your own delusions about Liberals.

Me? I'd rather live in a country full of idealistic children than one run by ignoble adults.

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by: JC @ Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 23:30:30 PM CST

[ Parent ]

the funds generated by the sale or least of trust lands, (4.00 / 1)

Rusty, go into an account, and schools are funded off of the interest, which compounds.  

Leases or revenues do not just go directly to the schools.  You get that, right?  

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by: jhwygirl @ Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 19:24:26 PM CST

[ Parent ]

did you read the frickin' report? (4.00 / 1)

maybe you should go beyond page 5.  Like to page 6 or page 7?

What the hell are you talking about?  The "facts" sure look accurate to me.

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by: jhwygirl @ Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 19:16:29 PM CST

[ Parent ]

It has everything to do with (0.00 / 0)

1) starting points

2) permits issued

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by: sydney@alias @ Mon Feb 02, 2009 at 12:07:51 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Rusty/Sidney (0.00 / 0)

I wonder if Rusty Shackleford is his real name:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...

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by: Thomas Kent @ Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 08:10:40 AM CST

Does that make sydney@ (0.00 / 0)

Nancy?

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by: JC @ Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 15:16:42 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Actually (0.00 / 0)

Rusty isn't really Rusty.  I find that to be a 'Sin', and rather 'rude'.

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by: Wulfgar @ Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 15:40:46 PM CST

[ Parent ]

glass houses - (0.00 / 0)

Junior - there's an old saying - I think it came from a conservative -

"People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

Should we talk about our good Governor maybe, who has kept none of his campaign promises?

Or our Senator, who was going to vote to end the war, and quite frankly didn't like earmarks period?

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by: Eric Coobs @ Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 08:45:49 AM CST

No, Eric (0.00 / 0)

Neither of those were the topic of this post and thread.  If you wish to make them a topic of conversation, then please feel free to post a diary about your concerns.  Otherwise, stick to the topic at hand.

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by: Wulfgar @ Mon Feb 02, 2009 at 16:59:09 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Seems to be the rightwing tactic these days... (0.00 / 0)

try and derail blog topics in the fear that we may discuss something useful, and apply what we learn to the real world.

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by: JC @ Mon Feb 02, 2009 at 19:19:00 PM CST

[ Parent ]

LOL (0.00 / 0)

None of you are willing to debate issues.  It's sad.


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by: sydney@alias @ Mon Feb 02, 2009 at 19:38:34 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Stick to the issue in this thread (0.00 / 0)

and debate away. Quit trying to change the subject.  

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by: JC @ Mon Feb 02, 2009 at 23:32:53 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Permit numbers are down (0.00 / 0)

Production is down.  

Not sure why the figures are always since "2004" but basically, we had a production high in 2005 or 2006, and it's been decreasing since.  Coal plants are being shut down, and new regulations are constantly being passed that make production more onerous.

Also, since we produce such a relatively small amount, numbers such as 38%, when taken from 2004 numbers, don't mean much.  Our increase/production has been nowhere near states like N Dakota, WY or New Mexico.


- Keeping the Left honest since 2001

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by: sydney@alias @ Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 11:46:31 AM CST

[ Parent ]

What about the campaign promises? (0.00 / 0)

Should they keep them?

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by: JC @ Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 13:48:36 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Is this a trick question? (0.00 / 0)

I would also like to see school funded through our resources.

Is there a specific bill ID'd that you would like them to vote Yes on?

And where did my links go?  

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by: sydney@alias @ Wed Feb 04, 2009 at 11:29:04 AM CST

[ Parent ]

The facts.... (0.00 / 1)

Liberals never them get in their way!

Why use reason when you can run solely on emotion?!

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by: Rusty Shackleford @ Wed Feb 04, 2009 at 13:38:02 PM CST

[ Parent ]

No, it's the topic of the thread, (0.00 / 0)

to which you have yet to speak.

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by: JC @ Wed Feb 04, 2009 at 15:03:41 PM CST

[ Parent ]

I'll try this AGAIN (0.00 / 1)

To the OP:

Please cite your source for this comment/information:

Fact: Montana has increased oil production by 38% since 2004.
Fact:  Montana has increased gas production by 34% since 2004.

LOL, I just noticed you edited/deleted my original comment to this thread...you Leftys and your inability to deal with differing opinions, PRICELESS!  

Do you kids ever admit to making a mistake?!

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by: Rusty Shackleford @ Wed Feb 04, 2009 at 15:13:57 PM CST

[ Parent ]

You weren't edited or deleted, Rusty (0.00 / 0)

You were troll rated out, just like this comment is likely to be.  See, us "kids" are more than happy to admit a mistake.  And not slapping down a troll who petulantly demands that we prove ourselves to him, well yeah, that would be a mistake.  Good thing most of us didn't make that mistake on election day ...

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by: Wulfgar @ Wed Feb 04, 2009 at 16:24:53 PM CST

[ Parent ]

The topic was energy, (0.00 / 0)

and the numbers on the production along with campaign promises from certain Republicans.  I took issue with the numbers, then linked to a government report.  That link was removed.

I stayed on topic even answering the strawman question, moreover, others stray further than I ever have yet are not removed.  

- Keeping the Left honest since 2001

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by: sydney@alias @ Wed Feb 04, 2009 at 18:06:13 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Uhhhm, syd? (0.00 / 0)

No comment of yours has been hidden or removed.  Dudess, you just lied.

And you haven't taken issue with the numbers.  You just posted a link and said the rest of us should take issue, without ever explaining what you were on about, or what you read that us idjits didn't.  You might want to be more clear in the future.

And you're wrong about the topic.  Will the Republicans in the Montana legislature do what they said, and vote to support education, or not?  It's a damned simple question.  

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by: Wulfgar @ Wed Feb 04, 2009 at 18:40:48 PM CST

[ Parent ]

So we don't have a break in comments (0.00 / 0)

If this discussion is to continue, please do it here.  Unless you want to break the comments ...

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by: Wulfgar @ Wed Feb 04, 2009 at 18:45:50 PM CST

Who lied? (0.00 / 0)

The link she posted has been removed.

You even commented on it...

No Rusty/sydney  (0.00 / 0)
You posted a link with a claim of "manipulation".  What was manipulated?  How was it manipulated?  How does it stand against what Junior posted as the desires (campaign lies) that our fine state Republicans put forth?

You see, Rusty/sydney, that would be an argument.  That would be proof.  But you keep persisting that posters here owe you something, without offering anything in return (exactly like the Republican cry-babies in the federal Congress.)  If you wish to add to the conversation, discussion, debate then do so, Rustysyd.  But quit expecting that this website exists to serve your, how did you put it, feeeelings.
by: Wulfgar @ Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 15:44:32 PM MST

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by: Rusty Shackleford @ Wed Feb 04, 2009 at 19:31:40 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Bueller?... Bueller?... Bueller? (0.00 / 0)

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by: Rusty Shackleford @ Thu Feb 05, 2009 at 20:30:18 PM CST

[ Parent ]

Was a matter, John? (0.00 / 0)

You worried that no one is paying attention to you?  Here's a hint, asswipe.  Next to no one is.  Only those of us who want to laugh at you pay attention.  You've established yourself as a troll, and a dick.  In the rare moments you might be correct about anything, even your Republicant brethren have abandoned you.   I hope you'll forgive me but I find that funny.  Okay, don't forgive me.  I find it hilarious!

Karma, bitch.  Sucks to be you, doesn't it?

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by: Wulfgar @ Thu Feb 05, 2009 at 21:00:20 PM CST

[ Parent ]

You called Sydney a liar... (0.00 / 0)

and as it turns out, you were mistaken....thus, I believe an apology is in order

=)

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by: Rusty Shackleford @ Thu Feb 05, 2009 at 21:12:48 PM CST

[ Parent ]

No John (0.00 / 0)

I won't apologize to you for anything.  I've already apologized to 'syd' for any wrong I've done her. If she has issue with the admins, she needs to take it up with the admins.  I never called her a liar; I see what I see.  I've little idea why you think I owe anything.

Your involvement is just so much more BS.  Perhaps you think yourself with degree as a blogger, and worthy of making money as such ...  kind of like an architect.  Hmm, I wonder if bloggers could kick you out as a fraud like architects would do ...

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by: Wulfgar @ Thu Feb 05, 2009 at 21:25:15 PM CST

[ Parent ]

LOL, name ain't John cupcake... (0.00 / 0)

See what you want to (drugs are bad, m'kay), but yes, you called her a liar...

The topic was energy,  (0.00 / 0)
and the numbers on the production along with campaign promises from certain Republicans.  I took issue with the numbers, then linked to a government report.  That link was removed.

I stayed on topic even answering the strawman question, moreover, others stray further than I ever have yet are not removed.  
by: sydney@alias  

Uhhhm, syd?  (0.00 / 0)
No comment of yours has been hidden or removed.  Dudess, you just lied.
by: Wulfgar @ Wed Feb 04, 2009 at 17:40:48

Sorry, bunky, but it looks like you're mistaken.  It isn't the first time, and it sure as shit ain't gonna be the last.

You can keep calling me John if you want, ya nutjob....It's nice to see that I bring a little joy into your obviously otherwise pathetic existence.

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by: Rusty Shackleford @ Thu Feb 05, 2009 at 21:34:39 PM CST

[ Parent ]