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by: Jay Stevens

Tue Feb 10, 2009 at 13:17:13 PM MST


First, from the busy desk of jhwygirl, there's a roundup of gravel-related bills going before the legislature; a roundup of committee hearings of interest from early this week; and another put-down of Krazy Kerns HB228 -- did you know it would effectively allow sexual predators to carry concealed weapons? Great news! For felons...tho' the misanthrope likes it...

HB 228 passed its second reading 58-42.

Meanwhile, the leg. is also mulling a cap on payday loans, to an annual 36 percent rate. Already payday lenders are crying "foul," saying they provide a "vital service," and threatening job losses should the bill pass. Problembear:

"rest assured the committee will get an earful from the extremely well heeled lobbyists for this very lucrative loan shark industry. but the committee needs to hear from fair-minded montanans that we will not tolerate our low wage earners and poor used as ATM's by these vultures."

How about runoff elections?

And how about SJ0020, a legislative resolution that would urge our Congressional delegation to legalize the production of hemp. And check out who's the primary sponsor! Bob Story...

Shahid Haque-Hausrath lambasts Gary MacLaren for LC0514, which would impose a substantial penalty on a "non-citizen [who] register[s] to vote in a state election": "The severe punishment imposed by this law is simply not warranted.  The proponents of this bill cannot point to any instances of voter fraud by non-citizens in the state of Montana that would justify imposing such a law. The Secretary of State has not spoken out in support of this bill, and I am not aware of any state or county election official who has stated that this law is necessary....

"There appears to be no legitimate purpose to this bill, other than to further demonize non-citizens who reside in the state."

Polson's Rep. Jana Taylor wants the state Senate have more oversight on the governor's appointments to the state Economic Development office. (See HB 389.)

Gotta admit, I agree with Rehberg's advocacy of H.R. 422 -- which would protect veterans from prosecution for owning relic firearms they acquired during combat...

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Nate Silver crunches the numbers, and postulates that we're in for a long recession. Still, economic statistics are more complex than baseball or polling data. Is Silver looking at the right data?

Senate compromise stimulus bill survives past a filibuster...

Krugman on the Senate version of the stimulus bill: "Now the centrists have shaved off $86 billion in spending - much of it among the most effective and most needed parts of the plan. In particular, aid to state governments, which are in desperate straits, is both fast - because it prevents spending cuts rather than having to start up new projects - and effective, because it would in fact be spent; plus state and local governments are cutting back on essentials, so the social value of this spending would be high. But in the name of mighty centrism, $40 billion of that aid has been cut out.

"My first cut says that the changes to the Senate bill will ensure that we have at least 600,000 fewer Americans employed over the next two years."

Tim Fernholz:"The decision to cutting $40 billion in state aid, another $20 billion in school construction, $2 billion for rural broandband access in favor of $30 billion in tax rebates for people who buy homes and cars is a travesty; the former option is more stimulative to the overall economy and targets needed investments, while the latter has a small stimluative value, is regressive and would be a step towards puffing the housing bubble up again."

Kevin Drum: "State aid was cut? That's crazy. Even many of the conservatives I read agree that preventing huge state cutbacks is one of the quickest and most efficient forms of fiscal stimulus. And most of the rest of the spending on this list is infrastructure spending, exactly the thing that conservatives were complaining there was too little of.

"Granted, neither laws nor sausages bear close scrutiny, but trading this stuff for a bunch of idiotic car and homebuying subsidies strikes me as unusually mindless, even by U.S. Senate standards. This is not exactly centrism's finest hour."

And if you think this stimulus bill is expensive, check out the price tag for the administration's next bank bailout bill. Ugh.

Obama paints Congressional Republicans as being outside the mainstream. Which is true, if you believe Gallup's recent polling results...

During Obama's first press conference he calls on...a blogger! And given the tough question Stein tossed at him, it may be the last time, too...

Nate Silver's Senate rankings make it clear the GOP is in for another rough election in 2010...

This is a colossal waste of time and money. That sheriff should be run out of office.

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jhwygirl's information is false (0.00 / 0)
Uh, Stevens, just to let you know, sexual offenders and predators can't own guns due to federal legislation.  So, how would they carry one concealed?  The information that it would change laws for felons and sexual predators, or in schools and churches, or for "gun waving" or pointing, or any other FEDERAL LAWS is complete lies and false hoods.  jhwygirl failed to checkfact this information.  I'd investigate before I repeated these lies.

concealed "weapons," not guns... (0.00 / 0)
...the bill expressly allows concealed weapons for all as long as they're not used in the course of a felony. Not guns...

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Currently they can carry knives (0.00 / 0)
This doesn't change the fact that they already can carry concealed knives (blade above 4") right this very moment without the law.  This doesn't change switchblades nor non-safety razors either.  What are they going to conceal, they can't own guns, knives are already legal (try finding a non-switch blade or razor 4.1" and above that is easy to conceal)...a crossbow or full size sword perhaps?  Projectile pepper spray by Kimber, which sprays boiling pepper spray at over 90mph, is already legal to conceal as well.  The argument that this allows sexual offenders to conceal is a scare tactic that is just not true.

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It wasn't just jhwygirl who is completely misinformed about the law... (0.00 / 0)
I listened to the entire floor debate to HB 228 last night (2nd reading) and I was amazed to hear lawyers speak to this exact point.  The best was one Representative rambling on about how if Concealed Weapon Permits were eliminated in MT everyone would have to go through the "5 day waiting period to purchase a firearm", which does not exist in the state of MT (in possessing a MT CWP the background check is instant, no call to the feds).  

The incompetence of those making arguments against the bill were amazing, Wiseman's poetry was particularly amusing.  It was pretty sweet.


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I read the bill, widowmaker (0.00 / 0)
federal law has nothing to do over state buildings like state courthouses or other non-federal but still government buildings.  That bill is going to allow concealed weapons to be carried in those places.  

It also DOES allow "gun waving" as long as it is not pointed in my face.  

The statement regarding sexual offenders, you are pulling from information that was provided.

228 DRASTICALLY changes gun laws, and should someone claim that I scared them, or gave them reason to fear me, it makes ME guilty until proven innocent.  

I'm going to agree to disagree here - but do not make it sound like I myself was making false claims over what that bill will or won't do.  I can read english. I listened to the testimony and I listened to the debate.  

You and your fellow death penalty loving, gun toting reverends can continue to put forth that only reasonable people own guns in this state, but I will continue to believe that there are lunatics out there, and that it is a damned shame that - if this bill passes and is signed into law - Montana taxpayer dollars are going to be spent proving victims the provocateurs instead of investigating a reasonable assertion of self-defense from the person who waved the gun.


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Um, I wouldn't call Sam Stein just a blogger: (0.00 / 0)
"Sam Stein is a Political Reporter at the Huffington Post, based in Washington, D.C. Previously he has worked for Newsweek magazine, the New York Daily News and the investigative journalism group Center for Public Integrity. He has a masters from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and is a graduate of Dartmouth College. "

I'd say he asked one of the most prescient questions of the presser:

"OBAMA: Sam Stein, Huffington Post -- where's Sam? Here.

Q Thank you, Mr. President. Today Senator Patrick Leahy announced that he wants to set up a truth and reconciliation committee to investigate the misdeeds of the Bush administration. He said that before you turn the page, you have to read the page first. Do you agree with such a proposal, and are you willing to rule out right here and now any prosecution of Bush administration officials?

OBAMA: I haven't seen the proposal, so I don't want to express an opinion on something that I haven't seen.

What I have said is that my administration is going to operate in a way that leaves no doubt that we do not torture, and that we abide by the Geneva Conventions, and that we observe our traditions of rule of law and due process, as we are vigorously going after terrorists that can do us harm. And I don't think those are contradictory; I think they are potentially complementary.

My view is also that nobody is above the law, and if there are clear instances of wrongdoing, that people should be prosecuted just like any ordinary citizen; but that generally speaking, I'm more interested in looking forward than I am in looking backwards. I want to pull everybody together, including, by the way, the -- all the members of the intelligence community who have done things the right way and have been working hard to protect America, and I think sometimes are painted with a broad brush without adequate information.

So I will take a look at Senator Leahy's proposal, but my general orientation is to say, let's get it right moving forward. "



I don't consider... (0.00 / 0)
...anyone "just" a blogger, JC...   ; )

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The more I read Obama's quote (0.00 / 0)
the more I think we are in for some verrrry interesting political, legal, and court room theater in the upcoming years! I like the way he says "people" and sets them off from "ordinary citizens." As in Dick Cheney & Co. never thought of themselves as ordinary citizens, though to apply the moniker "people" to them humanizes them a bit more than I would like :-)

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Seems a little creepy to me; but hey (0.00 / 0)
Stripping property from dead wogs is a time-honored hobby; eh, wot?
Gotta admit, I agree with Rehberg's advocacy of H.R. 422 -- which would protect veterans from prosecution for owning relic firearms they acquired during combat...


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