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Looking for Racism?

by: Matt Singer

Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 15:52:18 PM MST


If you're looking for racism, just take a gander at the comments thread on this story at the Billings Gazette. The story is a lengthy one and an interesting one to boot -- about who will regulate and tax gaming on the Flathead Reservation.

The story is a fairly old one in government -- people declaring "taxation without representation," others pointing out that they aren't proposing a radical change to the status quo, and a lot of problems that appear to be caused by a lack of communication. For some reason, a number of commenters seem to have taken this as a sign that Indians are bad people, which is how to many conversations devolve in Montana.

That said, I'm not completely clear on the smooth way out of the question. The tribal government wants an increased say in matters on the reservation -- something fair. Business owners are saying that they want to be regulated by a government they have a say in -- a somewhat fair argument, except that they already live under tribal jurisdiction in a number of ways. And everyone says they want the employees to not lose their jobs (although some business owners seem to prefer going out of business to being regulated by the tribe, something that screams mild bigotry to me).

The state, meanwhile, isn't saying anything.

This strikes me as a good-place for the Governor to show a little get-'er-done attitude. I know he's got a lot of other stuff on his plate, but there are a number of jobs here, there's relationships between a number of Montanans, and there's a good deal of revenue up for grabs. Surely, a way out can be found.

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Looking for Racism? | 33 comments
Native American vote (0.00 / 0)
Not to mention Native American voters just helped send JT to DC.

So, am I to assume ... (2.00 / 2)
that if two people rate a comment a "troll", that it and it's children go bye-bye?

I'm very confused! (0.00 / 0)
Matt, I keep seeing that there are more comments to this post, but only Jay's and mine show up when I look.  Is this a bug, a 'feature', or have I done something weird?

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Community-ratings determine it (4.00 / 1)
The Left in the West community -- registered members can rate eachothers' comments. Rating someone's comments low indicates that they are "trolls" and not welcome. Once it happens enough, they get shucked off the site, except for "trusted users" who are people who regularly get higher ratings. I may have to drop this. I'm not a huge fan of censorship, even by private parties.

On the other hand, I wonder if giving the community some ability to get rid of people who are repeatedly across-the-line will open a space for others to get involved.

Regardless, the disappeared comments are from someone who jumped in to attack me for being unintelligent, fixated on imagined racism, and too pro-affirmative action. For the record, I'm not one of the people who gave him a troll rating.


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I feel like I'm taking crazy pills (0.00 / 0)
This may be my debate team spirit.  Go Kalispell!  But are we not supposed to check stupid ideas with more ideas.  I like other blogs where no matter how bad or dumb people get they are free to put their ideas out there.  On a Blog dedicated to politics I see trolling just being a way to hide behind popular ideas and avoid any good arguments.  Am I missing something?  Well, either way, looks like Iron Fisted debate control will always assure a winner. 

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Yeah, you're missing something, all right. (0.00 / 0)
I like other blogs where no matter how bad or dumb people get they are free to put their ideas out there.  On a Blog dedicated to politics I see trolling just being a way to hide behind popular ideas and avoid any good arguments.  Am I missing something?

You'd probably be happier at well favored blogs like Malkin's, Powerline, LaShawn Barber's place ... what?  They censor comment, or don't allow them at all?  How can this be?  What of free speech and open discourse?

I'm shocked!  SHOCKED, I tell you!


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Appeal to the popular (0.00 / 0)
I would urge you that just because others do something does not make it a good thing.  I would direct your attention to one of Matt's own posts where says that even private censorship can/is a bad thing.  I tend to agree with him and further opine that censorship of ideas through a subjective party on a political blog is not a good thing.  The reasons seem so obvious to me that the do not need to be explained.  It seems almost like you would support Rupert Murdoch esq type of media disbursement where ideas not supporting an ethos are cast out hiding a locus of control.  Surely the "thought police" are not in your band.  I would expect more from a left leaning blog. 

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He ain't shruggin'! (0.00 / 0)
Atlas, although you handle is about as STOOPID as it can be (lacking any imagination for a rightwing moron), I must wholehearteldy agree with you on this one.

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? (0.00 / 0)
I like to think of myself as an independent.  Im like the guy who wears a hooded sweatshirt with letters on it, but does not live in a frat house. 

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Oh, I see (0.00 / 0)
The "free speech," and "open discourse," that are in theory what a blog is supposed to be about has devolved to a rating system where people who do not like comments can edit them out of a stream of conversation.  Sounds more like the Putin ideal of speech to me, silence those who do not follow the line.

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Actually, you don't appear to see anything at all. (0.00 / 0)
The "free speech," and "open discourse," that are in theory what a blog is supposed to be about

Whoever told you that that's what blogs were about lied to you, either through stupidity, simple ignorance, or playing you for a fool.  If they charged you money to impart that idea, then you'd best ask for a refund.  Blogs are about printing ideas on the internet, nothing more, and nothing less.  The free speech and open discourse expectation is your own fabrication.


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Well, then (0.00 / 0)
Seems to be more a haven for nobodies who need a forum to express ideas otherwise unimportant.  If Blogs are about putting idea up on the internet, is it then fair to "troll" out unpopular ideas?  Well, I had better let you go so you can spend more time feeling important.  I seem to have stumbled upon the left-elite here, and dont want to ruin tea time.

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Okay then ... (0.00 / 0)
Seems to be more a haven for nobodies who need a forum to express ideas otherwise unimportant.

Useless and unfounded opinion.  Not to mention, needlessly insulting and petulant, with no good reason offered.  Are you an idiot, or a child?  Enquiring minds want to know.

If Blogs are about putting idea up on the internet, is it then fair to "troll" out unpopular ideas?

Fair?  Unpopular?  Proof is required here.  You don't even seem to understand the term "troll".  C- at best.

Well, I had better let you go so you can spend more time feeling important.

And yet I still appear better reasoned and smarter than you.  Ohhhh, snap.

I seem to have stumbled upon the left-elite here, and dont want to ruin tea time.

Oh yes, do run away.  Cut and run ... bye bye.  So sad you had to flee. Nothing ruins tea-time like expressions of cowardice.  So sad.  Here, have a white feather.


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Snap what? (0.00 / 0)
I hope that I did not strkie a nerve with something that you obviously think is much more important than I do.  What proof do you require?  You sponge off of journalism, there is little to no creation here. Furthermore, looks like this blog gets far more traffic than yours.  Looks like the quality of the posts are much better as well.  Hoping to get a little run off?  Well, either way, you can supose the superiority of your reasoning all day, I dont see the objective measure.  I really think that with Lieberman back in office the true power of the extreem left blog-sphere has shown its true under belly.  There is no power here, there is only discourse.  I would have hoped free discourse.  Do I need to add Ohhh, snap to supose some kind of playground burn? 

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Uhhmmm, Hello? (0.00 / 0)
This isn't my blog/website/whatever.  I just comment here, like many others, including yourself.  And to me, you just look like a self-important dick-head.  Just so's you know ...

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Just providing context (0.00 / 0)
You asked for proof which I cannot give besides offering a comparison.  I looked at your blog and archive and found what was on here to be of a much higher quality, from the posts to the comments.  Seems there is a much broader qudience, more interesting subject matter, better researched topics and more links.  You asked for proof, well do the comparison yourself, you may need to upgrade your software and try to get a broader range or readers.  It like comparing the independent to the NY times. 

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This is the part you don't get, kitten, (0.00 / 0)
If you're not one of my blogs readers, I'll consider my efforts a success.  Thank you for not polluting my property.

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Why (0.00 / 0)
Why.  I know that it would be easy to make points if no one bothered to criticise.  But give me a break, and your property.  You act like you built a temple of discourse, like you are the first one.  Hardly, you just jumped on a bandwagon as that older guy who still tries to impress the youngsters.  Well, I have this to say to you.  "If coach would have put me in in the 4th quater, we would have been state champs."

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As a defender of great discourse, (0.00 / 0)
you ought to at least make an attempt to be coherant.  That last comment has the appearance of being little more than an irrational attack against me ... or would if anything you wrote made even the slightest amount of sense.  Here's a suggestion, sparky, don't drink and comment.

You'll appreciate that later.  No need to thank me.


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Interesting (0.00 / 0)
Funny, I dont drink at all.  As far as irrational, possibly, but then again, this is a blog, not a term paper.  Sorry.  I re-read the post seemed fine to me, sorry you had a hard time.  You seem to post more on here than on your blog, why?  Readership down?

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I like the old way better. (4.00 / 1)
I kinda like the give and take with EVERYONE! Otherwise, a  blog ends up like KUFM nightly news outta Misoula.  Every,  and I mean EVERY, guest  commentary has to pass muster by little sally mockery, faux journalist, or should  I say FOX journalist!  Now, as  much as I like  Tom Powers, and paddy wms. (who  cut and ran from the House), and assorted others, are these folks REALLY the only Montanans out there worthy of expressing a guest editorial on "public" radio?  I think not. (I actually stopped contributing looong ago to NPR, especially after the cheerled right into the Iraq war. And I even stopped listening after one "interview" that ms. mockery did with a "contractor" from Iraq, and she was obviouslsy completely ignorant of what she was talking about!)  The issues demand a wide range of opinion.  Little sally goes out  of her way to also provide a forum for the rightwing wackjobs, including the Chamber of Cancer folks, etc, as if these people didn't have ENOUGH ways and means to get their opinions out there before the public.  So, for my  two cents,  I say LET'RE RIP!  If the righties want to show up and recieve a can of whupass, let'em!  p.s. Read this quickly before I get  rated!

Thank you (0.00 / 0)
I agree with this person.  Let-er-rip.  Well put good sir.  Have a nice day. 

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Thanks, Atlas. (0.00 / 0)
Ya know, debate is kinda like comedy.  Sometimes ya just need a foil to be really good.  And I believe that good debate is the same way.  No matter HOW wacky someone's comments are, it provides a good basis for discussion.  I mean, look at Tadpole for example.  I NEVER agree with Taddy, but he concisely and forcefully presents the rightwing agenda.  He is really up on the latest rightwing talking points.  I find that extremely helpful, because then I don't  need to research to find out what the other side is thinking.  Tadpole does all the thinking for me! ("thinking" being used here in the broadest sense of the word!)

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