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12 Million People Still Living in the Shadows

by: Matt Singer

Thu Jun 28, 2007 at 13:57:42 PM MDT


Sadly, the right is celebrating the defeat of the immigration bill. There was a lot in the bill to dislike. But it's death is not worth celebrating.

Today, 12 million undocumented workers live in the shadows of the U.S. -- trying to escape detection and deportation. That combination of facts makes them an easy population to exploit. That, in turn, means marked downward pressure on wages in industries with lots of undocumented workers.

During the debate over this bill, Senators Tester and Baucus voted wrong. Repeatedly. They both voted to require police to turn over crime victims who they discovered were present illegally -- a quick way to avoid discovering rapists and murderers if key witnesses are worried about deportation.

These sorts of bad ideas were brought up repeatedly. Other amendments would require doctors and hospitals to turn over undocumented patients for deportation. Given public health concerns and the likelihood of a massive flu outbreak (or some other epidemic) soon, does it really make sense to scare sick people away from medicine?

The problem with the immigration debate is a lot like the problem with the abortion debate. Some people are so caught up in the individual actions that they simply don't care how the public policy will actually work as long as it reflects their moral beliefs. Nevermind that anti-choice policies have tended to increase abortion rates worldwide. Nevermind that abstinence-only sex education has led in somes cases to higher pregnancy and STD transmission rates. And nevermind that cracking down on the border and implementing punitive measures against immigrants has never worked to stop the flow of migration before. The mindset is simple: If it feels good to pass a bill, do it. And damn the actual consequences.

I've written here before that one of the most disheartening things during the immigration debate was to witness Tester and Baucus referring to these immigrants as "illegal aliens," a term loaded to sound as vicious as possible. Regardless of what else one might think of the policy, the people most directly impacted are still human -- and using the rhetoric of minutemen and other vigilantes who seek to threaten and harm Hispanic immigrants, sometimes without regard to their legal status.

As someone blessed by my birth to be a citizen of the United States, I have a tough time being so damn vindictive toward people who dream of attaining what I had simply for being born in the right place to the right parents. That's not to say that there aren't problems associated with immigration that we should try to fix, but the hatefulness and the knee-jerk reactions are simply unnecessary.

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March 6, 1836

On that fateful day, Davy Crockett woke up and walked up to the observation post on the west wall of the Alamo. Col. William B. Travis and Jim Bowie were up there already. As the three gazed at the hordes of Mexicans moving steadily towards them, Davy turned to Bowie with a puzzled look and asked, "Jim...are we  landscaping today?"
 


You know... (0.00 / 0)
this is really cruel the way we treat these lawbreakers.  We need to adopt the same "humanitarian" immigration laws that Mexico has. But of course we already have similar laws but our government chooses not to enforce them nor would they enforce this crap bill submitted by President Bush, Ted Kennedy, a host of other democrats and the usual mini-herd of RINOS led by McCain.

In your own words, Matt, you said there is a ?lot? in this bill to dislike which should have immediately sent it to the trash bin, but no these elitists had to push it forward even though 80 percent of the American people were against it.  Screw em if they can't spend the time and effort to come up with something that all of us could swallow without having to gag and choke in the process.


$500,000? (0.00 / 0)
Build it your damn self if you are so friggin upset about it. You want to know where it went? The same place every other no bid contract goes: into the pockets of Bush's friends.

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Matt, you're not all wrong (0.00 / 0)
The points you make about police and public health officials being hampered by requirements to report illegals (OK, let's say undocumented people) who are crime victims or sick are good ones.  And you're right about these underground people being easy to exploit by employers and others.

But you're absolutely wrong about the effect this bill, if it were passed, would have on our country as a whole.  Allowing virtual amnesty to 12 million (some say 20 million) undocumented people would encourage another 20 million people to barge uninvited into our country.  Something like this happened after the amnesty of 1986.

The effects on our lower and middle classes would be devastating.  Wages would be driven down even further.  Corporate types would love it, of course.  They could pay their maids and gardeners even less.  Unions would have an even harder time surviving because they'd be overwhelmed by millions of scabs willing to work for next to nothing.  Public schools and health facilities, especially in border states, would be overwhelmed and ruined.

Furthermore, this amnesty, had it been allowed to happen, would have legitimized quite a few folks who are simply criminals.  Not everybody sneaking into our country seeks a legal way to make money. 

I think it's probably time to redesign immigration policies so they're not racist or entirely in the service of corporate America.  Foreigners often make positive contributions when they come to America. But they need to be screened through a process that denies entry to those not interested in being good citizens.

 


Virtual Amnesty (0.00 / 0)
You mean a $5,000 fine and a touchback clause is amnesty?

Or are you talking about the Z Visas?

And the problem is -- what's the other alternative? Keeping them in the shadows? Inventing immigrant-dar?


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Undocumented Legislation... (0.00 / 0)
I've been lurking here for several months and enjoy the dialog Matt, but I think you are taking a very narrow view of the proposed (and defeated) legislation.  Even if one concedes your point about the illegals, and I don't, the proposed bill sucked.  Few had even read it let alone debated it in detail, no one was willing to put a price tag on it, and it was an administrative nightmare.  The current bureaucracy is unable to effectively issue passports let alone keep track of illegals.

Let's start effectively enforcing the current immigration laws before we attempt "reform".


Question for you, Mudge. (0.00 / 0)
Are you the real Curmudgeon?  You know if you are.  The one from the old mymontana?

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Real Curmudgeon (0.00 / 0)
I can't say if I am the "real" or the "fake" curmudgeon, but I am not the person to whom you refer.

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I have no solutions to illegal immigration (0.00 / 0)
I acknowledge that the illegal immigration problem is complex and I have no definite solution to all of it.  That doesn't mean that the bill that went down was a solution that any prudent person could support. 

Too many new problems would have occurred if it had passed.  And the old problems wouldn't be solved, either, because the fines for self-identified illegals ($5,000, I think) are too high to be paid (this according to angry hispanic demonstrators in LA), the "touch-back" rule would simply be ignored, and the border would remain unsecured.

I read conflicting reports about z-visas.  Some claim they're too easy to get while others claim the process to get them is too complicated. 

I hate to say it, but maybe it's better for illegals to stay in the shadows than it is for us to pretend that there's some workable alternative "path to citizenship."  We just don't have the resources to apply or oversee all the regulations contained in the defeated bill.

Most illegal immigrants are economic refugees.  I suppose we should try to do something about the conditions that make life so hard in their home countries (like doing away with NAFTA and CAFTA?).  Maybe our embassies should be more efficient so it's easier to get a visa to enter our country.  Maybe, once a person has entered our country legally, it should be easier for him or her to become a citizen. 

Maybe employers who hire and depend on illegal aliens need to be gotten after.  If they can't get by without illegal workers, they need to go out of business -- the way plantations in the Old South went out of business when they had to do without slaves.

If these businesses go out of business, there's no reason for the continued influx of desperate people into our country.  Maybe they should stay home and demand changes from their govenments.  This might mean starting another revolution in Mexico, a country with plenty of wealth in the hands of a small minority.

Poor Mexicans need to seek the advice of Hugo Chavez.

 


Peonization (0.00 / 0)
Which might otherwise by referred to as the third-worlding of the American Laboring Class:

I think--except for the guest-worker program--this nation could have absorbed the rest of this very bad bill without a great deal of difficulty.
But the continual reduction of the cost of labor must be stopped.  There is no work Americans cannot--or will not-- do if the payscale is sufficiently attractive; but so long as corporations and other businesses are so single-minded about maximizing profit, the American worker will be driven to more and more closely resemble coolies, peasants, peons or serfs...


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