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by: Jay Stevens

Sun Aug 19, 2007 at 21:30:33 PM MDT


Michael Skube writes an op-ed for the LA Times, in which he touts the benefits of good-old fashioned journalism:

One gets the uneasy sense that the blogosphere is a potpourri of opinion and little more. The opinions are occasionally informed, often tiresomely cranky and never in doubt. Skepticism, restraint, a willingness to suspect judgment and to put oneself in the background -- these would not seem to be a blogger's trademarks.

[snip]

The more important the story, the more incidental our opinions become. Something larger is needed: the patient sifting of fact, the acknowledgment that assertion is not evidence and, as the best writers understand, the depiction of real life. Reasoned argument, as well as top-of-the-head comment on the blogosphere, will follow soon enough, and it should. But what lodges in the memory, and sometimes knifes us in the heart, is the fidelity with which a writer observes and tells. The word has lost its luster, but we once called that reporting.

Actually, you won't find any argument from me here. Nor from many other bloggers. We're news parasites: we feed off the work that traditional journalists do. I'd be lost without traditional reporting, and I find that the facts often do speak for themselves.

The problem is, of course, that this traditional style of journalism has been in steady decline. Investigative journalism is expensive; and media outlets need to satisfy the never-quenched Wall Street mandate for steadily increasing profits. With traditional journalism weakening, more watch dogs are needed. Thus, the blogs.

Now that's an interesting topic in of itself. But it doesn't end there. Skube's op-ed happened to include the name of one blogger who does do investigative journalism, and has a staff of reporters working for him at his site. That's Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo.

Marshall, a little confused at his inclusion in the editorial contacted Skube, questioning whether he was actually familiar with his site. It turned out Marshall's name was added by an editor, and Skube had never heard of Marshall before, nor ever read the work at his site.

Josh Marshall:

...if you look at what he says, it seems Skube's editor at the Times oped page didn't think he had enough specific examples in his article decrying our culture of free-wheeling assertion bereft of factual backing. Or perhaps any examples. So the editor came up with a few blogs to mention and Skube signed off. And Skube was happy to sign off on the addition even though he didn't know anything about them.

I grant you that the blogosphere needs better bloggers. But, as usual, the need for better critics seems even more acute.

Amen.

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Dialogue (0.00 / 0)
Michael Skube's faux pas is indeed a sorry indictment of Skube and an editor at the LA Times. As an "old media" guy, I find that very disturbing. I may be in my own little corner of the media universe when I say that journalism as a whole seemed to fall apart after Watergate made automatic "heroes" out of journalists. The problem after Woodward/Bernstein seemed to be that every TomDickHarryJane reporter had to be given a byline, regardless of their experience or knowledge about what they were reporting. (Television "news" is another story. My favorite comment on that subject is from Richard Nixon: "Television is to news what bumper stickers are to philosophy.") As for the "new media" world of blogging, I have no credentials whatsoever, but I find the frequent extremes of name-calling know-it-all "commentary" upsetting and a decided turnoff to further reading or participation. I remember Dan Rather commenting to (I think it was) Amanda Congdon (?) on ABC that there is excess freedom to libel and slander in "new media" compared to "old media." That seems to have changed, as far as talk radio/tv is concerned. But I do think blogging is too often a form of vanity publishing. How do you see the excesses of "new media" and "blogging" shaking out over the long haul? Is there ongoing dialogue in the serious blog world that addresses such issues as journalistic integrity and long-term credibility of "new media"?

Boy howdy, I hate to interject ... (0.00 / 0)
(okay, no I don't) But has anyone bothered to define or clarify exactly what a "better blogger" is?  Marshall seems to think he knows, but do we?

And keep in mind that we 'bloggers' seem to have a pretty acute idea of what's wrong with the traditional media, and we're very vocal about it.  The traditional media, on the other hand, don't seem to get us at all.  The real question isn't what they understand about us, and it certainly isn't what we understand about them.  We can point at Skube-doo, and laugh, and he'll get all up in arms about it.  We understand why, and he doesn't.  That's kinda fun.

The real question, the really big question, is how well we, bloggers, understand ourselves and our role in anything.  Pajamarama Media seems to think that blogging will replace traditional reporting.  Michelle Malkin thinks she is a reporter, until it's convenient to not do so.  Around these parts, there's some agreement that we aren't traditional media reporting, but that we should be ... something.  I often believe us to be as clueless about ourselves as the Skube is about us.  My 2 pence.


blogging is... (0.00 / 0)
...what you make of it.

But I do think there are "better" bloggers. I don't mind the vanity that disturbs Bob (for obvious reasons), or the partisanship even.

For me, bottom line, is trust. Am I reading a blogger who makes things up? Or who backs argument with sources? Who's a real person with a real identity? Or an astroturf mouthpiece for an organization?

Marshall, for his part, has decided to embrace this idea of "new media," that reporting will be done by online "amatueurs," or nonaffiliated, independent journalists. To follow that idea, he's hired journalists to report for his site. He fact checks and uses sources and does old-fashioned gumshoe reporting, only he follows what stories interest him, and he doesn't have a publisher looking over his shoulder.

Which isn't a bad thing, IMHO.

Yes, he's not as authoritative as the Post or Times, but he did break the prosecutor purge story, for one...

Is that better than, say, WRIM, which bases all of its commentary on...instinct? Prejudiced observation? Press releases from the state GOP? I say, yes!


We're editorialists (0.00 / 0)
In the old days, the editorial page editors were people who took items from the news columns that seemed to require some support and provided opinion on what it meant.  That was back in the days when papers pretended to be objective in the news columns.  I remember an editorial page editor at the Missoulian, back in the early 70s, who wrote an editorial on the intelligence of Spiro Agnew (Nixon's first veep) by writing a head saying that and then leaving about 9 inches of white space under the headline.  I think that's what many of the new Blogs are becoming, editorial pages. 

And what really gets me are the constant attacks Blog purveyors make on the main stream media.  It's funny.  I used to get the Nation, Time, the Billings Gazette, the Week, and a number of other main stream publications as well as watching CBS news, a favorite target of Bloggers.  Now, if that is so bad, how come I knew what would happen in Iraq, how come I knew they would not find WMDs in Iraq; that three of the miners in Utah (the most recent inanity I've seen) were foreign nationals; etc.?


Mark (0.00 / 0)
I'm sorry, Mark, but I got it through MSM as they reported on what the U.N. was not finding and what the government was telling us about the lack of satellite discoveries of WMDs.  I think that what has happened is that people read the news, as they always have, with their own biases in place.  It doesn't really matter what the slant is in the news.  You look for what are undeniably facts and use them to do your own thinking.  And I agree that the concentration of news outlets in fewer hands is not good.  The Gazette here in Billings suffers from that concentration and the elimination of news executives in key places such as publishers and editors in favor of managers.  But if you read and use the same news sources over time, you can realize what are facts and what are opinions.  Even Time movie reviews are useful as long as you realize that to them few American-made movies are good and most foreign films are fantastic.

Back to the future: Blogging? (0.00 / 0)
The state of journalism today is poor, there's no question. Mark's comment that "blogging is about the lack of journalism in this country" is clear. Then what? Wulfgar says: "I often believe us [bloggers] to be as clueless about ourselves as the Skube [Michael Skube, LA Times] is about us." I think that at this early evolutionary stage of "blogging," it is probably good to be "clueless." That's where the freshness comes from, n'est-ce pas?

When I compared blogging to "vanity publishing," Jay, I didn't mean that you or anyone else was vain, per se. I am referring to the "vanity press" industry, where writers pay to have their books published, once rejection slips pile up too high in the old roll top desk. My point is that bloggers are their own writer/publisher, and that is good. (Crap also has to be weeded out in bookstores, where publishers reign supreme, not bloggers).

Chuck Rightmire's comment that bloggers are "editorialists" is very apropos. I think "essayists" also are a good fit in some cases. I personally would like to see more in the quality essay department, where lots of interesting knowledge is displayed (other than a plethora of guesswork about politics, for example...or is that what gives blogging its motivation at this point in media evolution?).

As for Chuck's reference to the "old days" of the "early 70s," I think that makes another good point about bloggers and blogging. Live, in the flesh "old days" for me started in the 40s. Television supplanted a jukebox-size radio in our family living room in 1948, when a test pattern was the prominent on-screen message for the day. For a few hours in the evening, the test pattern was interrupted by Milton Berle and other burlesque veterans, followed immediately by the test pattern again. As a kid, I LOVED staring at the mesmerizing static image of the test pattern and listening to its droning vocal beeeeep! I think it functioned like a mandala for me! (Then again, maybe the constant beeeeep fried my brain!)

At this point in this brief back-to-the future adventure, I am trying to imagine how Jay will respond when the future children of his dearly beloved present twins greet him a few decades from now: "You were a BLOGGER, granddad? Did you even have TELEVISION?"


"Vanity" blogger (0.00 / 0)
Hah! That's a telling Freudian slip, eh?

I completely agree about your desire to see better essays come out of blogs. One of the problems I have with blogging is the relentless output needed to keep up readership. I'll be the first to admit that I've made a lot of errors or rushed to judgement because of the pace. (I'd also suggest that a lot of Internet incivility is also a result of the same frenetic pace.)

Someday I'd like to go back and thread together posts on a similar topic along with a hearty dose of revision and write longer, more in-depth analysis of issues.

But, Bob! Everything develops so fast nowadays! I imagine myself trying to explain what a blogger is five years from now! 


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Writing, editing, ad infinitum (0.00 / 0)
Jay, writing and writing and writing is what it's all about. Deadlines for a writer are good. Pressure on a writer is good. Editing is always imperative. There is time enough for all of it. Everything goes where it is going. There is nothing "new" under the sun. There is no other "way." Call it "Tao" if you like. It just doesn't matter. "Five years from now" already occurred in the last five minutes. You are already there. Keep on keepin' on.

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I'll take that... (0.00 / 0)
...as encouragement, Bob. Thanks!

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