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Get out, now

by: Jay Stevens

Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 07:26:10 AM MDT


Paul Krugman has aptly predicted what will happen when General Petraeus makes his much-ballyhooed September report:

Here's what will definitely happen when Gen. David Petraeus testifies before Congress next week: he'll assert that the surge has reduced violence in Iraq - as long as you don't count Sunnis killed by Sunnis, Shiites killed by Shiites, Iraqis killed by car bombs and people shot in the front of the head.

Here's what I'm afraid will happen: Democrats will look at Gen. Petraeus's uniform and medals and fall into their usual cringe. They won't ask hard questions out of fear that someone might accuse them of attacking the military. After the testimony, they'll desperately try to get Republicans to agree to a resolution that politely asks President Bush to maybe, possibly, withdraw some troops, if he feels like it.

Krugman goes on to explain why Petraeus' report is cooked: the White House is writing it, it counts only certain types of deaths (folks shot in the back of the head, say, as opposed to folks shot in the front), it leaves out car bombings, and counts enclaves already "ethnically cleansed" as progress.

All independent reports show no progress in Iraq.

Krugman also points out that the majority of Americans are against this thing and want it to be over.

Jay Stevens :: Get out, now
Naturally, then, Congressional Democrats are going to cave in to Bush:

In light of all this, you have to wonder what Democrats, who according to The New York Times are considering a compromise that sets a "goal" for withdrawal rather than a timetable, are thinking. All such a compromise would accomplish would be to give Republicans who like to sound moderate - but who always vote with the Bush administration when it matters - political cover.

And six or seven months from now it will be the same thing all over again. Mr. Bush will stage another photo op at Camp Cupcake, the Marine nickname for the giant air base he never left on his recent visit to Iraq. The administration will move the goal posts again, and the military will come up with new ways to cook the books and claim success.

Let's face it. The Democrats won't be hurt by this pussy-footing in the 2008 election, largely because the Republican position on the war is even worse. In fact, as long as the war continues, it'll be the main issue in the election, and it'll work to the Democrats' advantage.

That said, if the Democrats end the war now, their honest representation of their constituency will be amply rewarded in 2008. Folks are starved for good old fashioned principle. It's time for our Congress to display some.

And as I've said before, we're quickly running out of time to extract ourselves from this mess. When, and if, a Democratic president inherits this mess, it's not likely she'll want to pull out of the country. Then it'll be a Democratic war and could split the party.

Get out, now.

John Edwards showed you how to do it:

...the American people sent this Congress a mandate in November of 2006, and that mandate was to force George Bush to end this war in Iraq. We need the Congress to meet its responsibilities. They should not submit a single funding bill to this president that doesn't have a timetable for withdrawal. If he vetoes it...if he vetoes it, they should send him another bill with a timetable for withdrawal, if he vetoes that, they should send him another bill with a timetable for withdrawal, they need to force this president to end the war!

And remember: this doesn't require a veto-proof majority in the Senate. All it requires is forty one Senators who would filibuster any funding bill that doesn't contain withdrawal timetables.

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So... (0.00 / 0)
"When, and if, a Democratic president inherits this mess, it's not likely she'll want to pull out of the country. Then it'll be a Democratic war and could split the party"

Shouldn't a decision to pull out of Iraq be made because it is the right thing to do for our country and not because a political party might be hurt if the war drags on into the next administration?

And if it is the right thing to why would a democratic president not want to withdraw If it was the right thing to do?

Are we now at the point where what is right for my party is ahead of what is right for the country?


My bad for the omission (0.00 / 0)
You're absolutely right. I didn't mean to imply that we should get out simply because of party troubles. I assumed that went without saying, esp. based on dozens of posts I've written about Iraq. But that's also assuming you're a regular reader.

Here's some other stuff I've written on Iraq :

--"Mark them with your dead"

--"Four years in Iraq "

--"Why we will never win in Iraq "

--"'Deluded'"

I've got a suspicion that Congressional intransigence on getting us out of Iraq is at least in part because of political considerations. Democrats and their inside-the-Beltway consultants know that this unpopular war benefits them at the polls.

This post was intended to argue against that position - from their perspective, in their language - and show them the potential political costs of staying in Iraq through the 2008 election. Re-reading it now, it does look like I'm putting party over principle.

I am, and have always been, against this war. It's the right thing to do politically, it's the right thing to do for our national security, it's the right thing to do for regional stability, it the right thing to do for the Iraqis, and it's the right thing to do morally.

We need to get out, now.


[ Parent ]
Osama bin Laden on U.S. Democrats and Iraq (via CNN +) (0.00 / 0)
"Why have the Democrats failed to stop this war, despite them being the majority?"

"...Those with with real power and influence are those with the most capital. And since the democratic system permits major corporations to back candidates, be they presidential or congressional, there shouldn't be any cause for astonishment -- and there isn't any -- in the Democrats' failure to stop the war."

Whoever writes OBL's material is obviously into "the whole world is watching" mode. What's your take?


[ Parent ]
Sounds like... (0.00 / 0)
.. he's ready to endorse Edwards.

[ Parent ]
That's very interesting though... (0.00 / 0)
If the Democrats do enact something after Gen. Petraeus gives his shitty report will Bush say they did it only because bin Laden told them too? Behold, Bush's latest puppet, and greatest ally.

[ Parent ]
Osama (0.00 / 0)
Knowledge of our corrupt political system apparently doesn't stop at the border.

As for Osama's comments...well...considering that most of which the dude has been fighting against -- secularism, multi-culturalism, women's rights, open and direct democracy -- are distinctly lefty positions, I find his rhetoric misleading, to say the least, if it was intended to influence the left.

If Osama really is an anti-corporatist, then he does share some views with the left. But then, he probably shares a lot more views with the Christian right, if we're going to have a scorecard.


[ Parent ]
But we're winning (0.00 / 0)
According to the Prez in the Sydney (Aust.) Morning Herald:

"We're kicking ass," he told Mark Vaile on the tarmac after the Deputy Prime Minister inquired politely of the President's stopover in Iraq en route to Sydney.

He didn't say whose ass -- Sunni insurgents, Shiite militias, al-Qaida, the civilian population?

He also didn't mention that Iraqi security forces have only met three of the 18 benchmarks set by the nonpartisan GAO.

Nor did he mention another independent panel's recommendations for "significant reductions, consolidations and realignments."  This panel was made up of retired senior military and police officers.

Nor did he cite the decaying infrastructure,  or the continuing death tolls (eight U.S. and 15 Iraqi civilian deaths announced yesterday). 

He also failed to mention that the U.S. has spent close to half-a-trillion dollars (that's $500,000,000,000).

But hey, "we're kicking ass."


The American public likes its wars (0.00 / 0)
They just want them to be short, with few American casualties. They don't care about anything else. When wars drag on, that's when you lose them. The politicians know this - D&R both. So they play cards with us. Democrats absorb anti-war sentiment, but somehow just can't seem to muster enough votes to make a difference.

It's all politics. You're being scammed by both parties.

In the meantime, 655,000 is an old number - probably much higher now, but who really gives a shit. News reports talk about Iraqi-on-Iraqi violence only, ignoring the American air war and other American violence.

As long as we are kept in the dark and fed shit, and rely on Democrats for change, the war will go on. So bring on Hillary, the anointed one, to carry on Bush's policy, just as her husband did.


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